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Map: Russian Language So Far Institutionalised In The Highlighted Regions

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The map below shows the regions where Russian is used the most, which correspond to those highlighted on map above.

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Well, it will certainly be very interesting to see how the new law plays out in Ukraine. If you actually review my commnets, you'll notice that I've not actually come out against regional language rights. I was (and am) opposed to the way this current law was passed, by-passing all sorts of legal procedures. I've not actually read the law (has anybody here?) but have read a lot of critical reviews of it, even from those proponents of regional language rights. Speaking of Odessa, I see that although many parents aren't opposed to having their children taught in Ukrainian, their city fathers have refused to even consider Bulgarian as a regional language. Apparently 10% of Odessites can speak Bulgarian...what's up with that?? 'На Одещині не захотіли робити болгарську регіональною' http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2012/08/18/6971054/

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

The fact that there are many weak and questionable areas addressed in the new law is apparent, when even its authors Kivalov and Kolesnichenko find it necessary to rework it and make 'many' corrections. If the authors of this law find it necessary to do so, one can imagine what critics of the law (who'se opinions should count for something) might make of it all....'Ківалов і Колесніченко вже придумали, як поправити свій закон.' http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2012/08/18/6971060/

(in a normal country, important laws of this nature would have been developed slowly with the input of the oppostion, not rammed down the throats of the country in a haphazzard manner, and then afterwards tinkered with to make any necessary adjustments).....

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

Yes I have also heard criticism of the new law, people say that Russian is being turned into a language of an ethnic minority, when in fact it is a language of inter-ethnic communication, and deserves to be made the second state.

Bulgarians unfortunately only make 6% of Odessa region's population, I think that's what's up. The law is certainly not well constructed in that it demands 10% representation from an ethnic minority, and a vote of the regional council. The Party of Regions is simply lame, they promised to make Russian the second state, its electorate remembers that...

August 18, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

I'm quite sure that the corrections to the new law envisioned by Kivilov and Kolesnichenko wont include making Russian as a second state language...I'm actually somewhat content that the law envisioned will take into consideration people's language preferences, at the regional or local level. By finally enacting this very important law, the 'great mass' of people who found profond discomfort with language discrimination issues, will finally be able to move on to issue 30, 29, 28 etc; on their hierarchy list of important issues. Maybe then they'll move on down the list and work on the massive removal of the ultra-corrupt Yanukovych government! Or are you Leos, waiting o get behind him once again, once Ukrainian is made the second state language?? :-) :-)

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

'Or are you Leos, waiting o get behind him once again, once Ukrainian is made the second state language?? :-) :-)'

correction:

''Or are you Leos, waiting to get behind him once again, once Russian is made the second state language?? :-) :-)'

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

You can be absolutely certain that Russian will not be made into second state through the planned changes, this is a thing of the constitution, not some piece of legislature on the books.

Party of Regions has few percent less support than Bat'kyvshchina, the Commies are doing rather well, and given that Yanukovych has support of the oligarchs, he can buy off the flimsy Klichko in my opinion. They might even rig the elections, and having already seen one revolution, they might withstand another attempt at such a thing. Yanukovych might be ultra-corrupt, but Tymoshenko is no alternative to him. You know of anyone else?

August 18, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

I actually kinda favor the 'flimsy' Klitschko, although he'd be content to become mayor of Kyiv at this point in his career. He's much younger than the other older has-beens (including Tymoshenko), and seems to be surrounding himself with a cadre of untainted new talent. (He's trying to keep his inner circle on more of a straight lace trajectory). Actually, none of the rest really excite me...Yatseniuk although younger, has risen to the top by surrounding himself with the oligarchs. At this point, however, anybody looks better than Yanukovych.

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

The rising star of Yatseniuk might even make Yanukovych give pardon to Tymoshenko. Imagine what she would do with this bunny once she gets out. :-)) But then again, I do not think the Party of Regions has the brains to think of something like that.

August 18, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Look Leos, as far as being just another egocentric and greedy politician, Tymoshenko doesn't break the mold. But be perfectly honest with me, don't you believe that putting her away behind bars was only meant to try to silence her, and really had little if anything to do with the gas contracts that she and Putin both signed??.....as far as Yatseniuk having any influence over Yanukovych with regards to the latter's freeing Tymoshenko, this is news to me??.......

August 18, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

Yatseniuk and Tymoshenko had conflicts in the past, that's what I meant...

August 19, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Apparently, you don't want to be 'perfectly honest' with me??.....:-)

August 19, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

I think I just did not make myself clear, now you know what I meant...

August 19, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

This article indicates that the Yanukovych government is sending out a strong message that other regional languages are not to be encouraged at local Oblast Radas. No Romanian in Chernovetska Oblast, no Hungarian in Zakarpattya, no Tatar lanuage in Crimea. All of the aforementioned ethnicities clearly have more than 10% of their respective populaitons. Only Russian everywhere? Is it possible that the new law was really only meant to serve the needs of one group, at the expense of others ? .....'Москаль: АП блокує визнання регіональними мов, окрім російської' http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2012/08/19/6971084/

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

It is based on the claims of one man, who does not name his sources..

Як повідомляє прес-служба народного депутата Геннадія Москаля, про це йому стало відомо "з достовірних джерел".

In the end, it is up to Transcarpathia, and Chernivtsy to pass a vote. Will they summon a session to do so? Anyway, here is something else on Moskal':

Народний депутат Геннадій Москаль направив секретарю Ради національної безпеки і оборони України Андрію Клюєву депутатське звернення щодо бездіяльності Державної прикордонної служби України, а також СБУ та МВС у справі прокладення “контрабандного” тунелю під українсько-словацьким кордоном.

Текст звернення написано "русинською мовою", яка законом Ківалова-Колесніченка визнана однієї з регіональних мов. Як "русинсько"-українського перекладача Г.Москаль рекомендує А.Клюєву використати його заступника Нестора Шуфрича, котрий неодноразово публічно заявляв, що вважає себе русином.

WTF?

http://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/98913-Moskal-pozbytkuvavsia-z-movnoho-zakonu-rusyniv-sylovykiv-ta-Shufrycha

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

I've always suspected that 'rusini' are really only 'moskali'...here's more proof! :-)

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

Say Leos, you seem to like maps etc; Here's one that shows that 100 years ago 90% of the inhabitents of eastern Ukraine all spoke Ukrainian. The video clip then goes on to show how this situation changed after the commies took over (after the mid 30's, after korinizatsiya was abandoned). Thisi highly informative clip of russificatory policies in Ukraine concludes by revealing that my own favorite fab duo the Kapranov
brothers, who are at the leading edge of defending Ukrainian language rights, were actually born in the Mykolaiv region. I believe this is where your own ancestors underwent russification??......

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

See: Історія русифікації: Сто років тому 90% жителів сходу України говорили українською (ВІДЕО) http://zakarpattya.net.ua/Special/99708-Istoriia-rusyfikatsii-Sto-rokiv-tomu-90-zhyteliv-skhodu-Ukrainy-hovoryly-ukrainskoiu-VIDEO

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

How come the locals in Ismail, wont allow the Bulgarian minority full regional language rights?? 'В Ізмаїлі відмовилися визнавати болгарську регіональною мовою. Затвердили тільки російську' http://zakarpattya.net.ua/Special/99691-V-Izmaili-vidmovylysia-vyznavaty-bolharsku-rehionalnoiu-movoiu.-Zatverdyly-tilky-rosiisku

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

That little propaganda from first channel I stopped watching when they said that 10 000 000 Ukrainians died in Holodomor. Seems like a very trustworthy piece of research. :-)))

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

The figure of 10,000,000 is probably inflated. Any other 'good' reasons not to watch the clip??

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

Wanna write to the Izmail municipality?

There is another thing, I have not noticed they would bother to indicate sources for the other information they give. 10 000 000 is heavily inflated.

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

I don't live in Ismail...but according to the report, local Bulgarians have tried to bring the Bulgarian language issue up, just to be shot down:

' Відтак представники низки громадських організацій звернулися до влади міста з проханням включити до порядку денного питання про закріплення за болгарською мовою статусу регіональної, надавши для цього необхідні дані. Однак їм було відмовлено.'

As for the clip about russiication in Ukraine, the accuracy of the 10,000,000 inflated famine figure is not really germane to the main topic of the video, which is that 100 years ago 90% of Ukrainians in eastern Ukraine spoke Ukrainian.

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

You don't have to live there to write to them, I am sure they have some contacting email. Ask them why they have not heard the pleas of Bulgarian activists, maybe you can get things into movement there. You know that Ukrainian officials tend to be lazy.

The video does not indicate its sources for 90% of Ukrainians speaking Ukrainian, it only states that most of the people lived in villages, therefore must have spoken Ukrainian. What a wonderful piece of analysis on their part. :-)))

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Looks like the russificators in Mykolaiv did a real number on your ancestors Leos....or were they actually the real Russians imported from the north to help spread the Russian language there??

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

Leos - it's obvious from your remarks that the russificators must have done a real number on your ancestors in Mykolaiv. Or were they perhaps the Russian arbeiters imported from the north paid to 'spread the word', mentioned in the clip?? :-)

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

They spoke Ukrainian, or Surzhyk. My granddad moved to Russia after WWII, that's when he switched to Russian.

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Now if your Grandfather actually spoke 'Ukrainian' what language do you think that his father or grandfather or great grandfather spoke???....................

August 20, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

Ukrainian, ever since their khutor appeared on the map.

August 20, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Looks to me like back home in Mykolaiv, there are still plenty of Ukrainian speakers who aren't taking kindly to the new language law. One of your Grandpa's offsping apparently didn't move to Moscow Leos:

'У Миколаєві "язык" став регіональним під масові бійки' http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2012/08/21/6971181/

August 21, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

By the way, the fact that your ancestors all spoke Ukrainian in Mykolaiv seems to corroborate the information provided in the video I mentioned above.....

August 21, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

I see lot of Svoboda flags, these might in fact be visitors from further to the West...

August 21, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Maybe the Svoboda flags were actually borrowed from Kharkiv and not Lviv?? :-)

'Opponents of language law storming Kharkiv City Council' http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/opponents-of-language-law-storming-kharkiv-city-council-311779.html

The violence and outpouring of support in Mykolaiv seems to be larger (for now) than in Kharkiv. Perhaps, instead of gallovanting around the headshops of Europe, you need to return to Mykolaiv to help set the record straight, Leos??....:-) :-)

August 21, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

Most of those engaging in such acts are marginals, I can assure you of that. They understand that their position is hopeless, that is why they resort to violence.

August 21, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

I agree with you. The proponents of the new law need to settle down a bit........:-)

August 21, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCulture Kamph Hack

@ Hack

I do not recall the proponents of this law starting a brawl in the parliament, or violence on the street. ;-)

August 21, 2012 | Registered CommenterLeoš Tomíček

Apparently your strident anit-Svidomite propoganda is not working back home in the Czech Republic (right in your own backyard!)...I think that you've been too mild lately, and need to ratchet it up a bit & replay the Busema card a little bit harder....Sorry Leos :-(......

'Ужгородські студенти святкували в Чехії День Незалежності і захистили мову (ФОТО, ВІДЕО)' http://zakarpattya.net.ua/News/99947-Uzhhorodski-studenty-sviatkuvaly-v-Chekhii-Den-Nezalezhnosti-i-zakhystyly-movu-FOTO-VIDEO

August 25, 2012 | Unregistered CommenterCzech Svidomite Hack

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